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big-eye101
21.02.2016, 10:18
So it begins:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35621079

Will the UK remain in EU or not. Some interesting times ahead; scary ones even.

OneEar
21.02.2016, 14:29
I think we absolutely must remain in the union. Small businesses such as my father's rely on it, as do many many facets of our functioning as a country.

There may be aspects of the European Union that aren't ideal, but if we leave the EU, the Conservative Party will be unstoppable in continuing to remove all of the hard work we've done to build a fair social system since WWII.

They will sell the NHS (they already are doing this), remove the human rights act, working time directive, employment protection laws etc. etc. etc.

I'm terrified of this totalitarian government; they are untouchable enough as it is.

retrokill
21.02.2016, 16:19
We need Europe, with the USA, India and China all competing in the same markets it would be economic suicide.

So far the polls look like England and Wales want to leave and Scotland want to stay.
Some possible scenarios:
England votes to leave and wins by a large margin - we leave the EU.
England votes to leave by a small margin and Scotlands vote keeps us in - oh my! The trouble that will cause, probably another independence referendum called.
England votes to stay - yay.

xXOZXx
21.02.2016, 16:25
Don't get me started on who the next president of the U.S.A. is going to be. That is a more scary thought.

big-eye101
21.02.2016, 18:15
I find it encouraging to hear you two speaking out in favour of the EU :) Most people I heard / talked to tend to be on the "let's leave" side of things.

Some things you touch on OneEar, I come to understand as the Brits (or at least the government) want to be more like the US. Personally, however, I think the US could take some hints from Europe.

Having been in the UK for almost 5 years now, I'm starting to get tired of the "anglo-way" of running things ... :( Don't get me wrong, I do like the low taxes here in the UK. But honestly, I'm prepared to pay taxes for a system that is giving back more, and running smoother ...


Don't get me started on who the next president of the U.S.A. is going to be. That is a more scary thought.

ohhh, this should be its own thread. Things over there are starting to get beyond ridiculous ...

retrokill
21.02.2016, 22:22
I come to understand as the Brits (or at least the government) want to be more like the US.

I think the Brits have a hard time forgetting their colonial days and would like to go back to a similar time, forgetting they don't have the wealth of the empire to back them up.

big-eye101
22.02.2016, 09:52
I think the Brits have a hard time forgetting their colonial days and would like to go back to a similar time, forgetting they don't have the wealth of the empire to back them up.

hehe :icon_lol:

OneEar
24.02.2016, 20:44
If the vote turns out in favour of an exit, I'm moving to Scotland.

Westminster can kiss my **** as far as I'm concerned.

retrokill
02.06.2016, 13:15
“If I asked you what is the most corrupt place on Earth you might tell me well it’s Afghanistan, maybe Greece, Nigeria, the South of Italy. I will tell you it’s the UK,” he said.

“It’s not the only bureaucracy, it’s not only the police, it’s not the politics, but what is corrupt is the financial capital. Ninety per cent of the owners of capital in London have their headquarters offshore. Jersey and the Cayman’s are the access gates to criminal capital in Europe and the UK is the country that allows it." Roberto Saviano, mafia investigator.
An interesting article - link (https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/crime-the-uk-and-brexit/)

OneEar
02.06.2016, 14:36
Painfully true. God help us if we leave.

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retrokill
03.07.2016, 20:17
You're all aware of the UKs recent referendum on the EU and I've been boring you with some of the details in the "So what's going on where you are?" thread. The following months are going to be really intense and as that is a direct result of the referendum I feel the other thread shouldn't be hijacked into a UK centric tirade when one already exists.

I would really value your thoughts and questions on the matter as they will help to guide and focus my own thoughts and ideas on the subject at hand. And thanks in advance for letting me rant.

So to start with, another referendum on Scottish independence is almost certainly going to be called. The EU government has been sympathetic to Scotlands position and many leaders and diplomats do not have a problem with us staying/rejoining. France and Spain will support us but only if we are independent. It's still early yet but polls in scotland are running at nearly 70% in favour of independence. Independence for me last time was not an easy decision and I didn't make up my mind until voting day when I voted for indy. This time there will be no hesitation.

Both the main parties in Westminster have stated that they will reform or suspend the grant that Scotland gets to live off. Westminster takes all our money and gives some back every year as a block grant, the amount is worked out using the Barnett formula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula). Reform usually means cuts. There has been some rumblings on the right that the Scottish parliament should be disbanded.

The main stream media (BBC, big newspapers etc) are really just spewing government propaganda. Their reporting has been demonstrably false on what has been said in Holyrood and Brussels. E.g. BBC reported that our First Minister told the opposition to throw in the towel When you watch the video of the parliamentary session what she said was that the opposition want her to meekly throw in the towel which she won't do. Or said that Spain will refuse us entry. Every word is twisted to fit a 'SNP bad' Scotland is too wee, too poor, too stupid narrative.

After the fear mongering and lies in the last 2 referendums we have had, people are generally wise to them now. The SNP have published a list of promises made before the last indy ref and broken after (spoiler - they were all broken) - link (http://www.snp.org/broken_promises_by_tories_and_no_campaign_since_in dyref).

A question many are asking now is if we are too wee and poor and taking more money per head than the rest of the UK to survive, why are we being urged to stay? Given the current climate in Westminster when they are shedding every burden they can and becoming more isolationist, it seems strange to keep us around.
From The Wee Ginder Dug (https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/project-fears-poverty-porn/) -

The point can’t be made often enough. We’ve got public institutions which actually function, most people pay tax – unlike in Greece where tax evasion is a national sport. We’ve got impeccable democratic credentials. Scotland is in a geo-politically stable part of the world. We have no territorial claims on anyone, no one has territorial claims on us. Here Scotland is in a quiet and stable corner of the globe, we’re blessed with an embarrassment of natural resources, a highly educated population, four of the world’s top universities, more oil, gas, coal, and renewable energy supplies than we know what to do with, almost self-sufficient in food supplies, fresh water that falls out the skies in annoyingly enormous amounts. If you wanted a recipe for a stable, prosperous, democratic, independent state, you’d list Scotland’s ingredients.

And yet, if we were to believe the British Unionist establishment, an independent Scotland would come into the family of nations burdened with a greater national debt than Greece and would have to slash public spending to the bone, scarcely able to afford to keep the lights on. Uniquely out of the nations of north west Europe, we’d be the poor relatives reduced to begging for crumbs.

But the Unionists who make these claims never pause to think who is responsible for this sorry state of affairs. Because the only answer possible is that it’s the Unionist establishment which has run Scotland’s economy for the past 300 years. I don’t know about you, but “you have to stay a part of the UK because the UK has bankrupted you” isn’t an argument that persuades me that we should remain subject to the tender mercies of those who have bankrupted us and whose management of our economy has been criminally irresponsible.

If there is an economic case against Scottish independence, that can only be because Westminster has run Scotland’s economy in such a lamentable fashion that it has rendered us incapable of supporting ourselves. That is not an advertisement for the benefits of Westminster rule. All that the Unionist doomsayers are telling us is that they have abused Scotland so badly that they’ve left us bleeding to death, and if we stay with Westminster then we can be bled even more.

If you have made it this far then well done and thanks for reading. I'll keep this updated when I'm not too busy laughing or crying.

retrokill
05.07.2016, 09:20
Nigel Farage resigned yesterday. I reckon he'll get a position in the Tory government to help stop the loss of votes to the far right.

OneEar
05.07.2016, 09:45
In summary: god help us all

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Exploding_Silver
05.07.2016, 19:00
I voted exit !

:icon_lol:

Leonarrias
06.07.2016, 13:43
I voted remain....then prompted received a message from OneEar asking about coming to scotland xD

Also, found our new map if the whole Ireland/Scotland independence pow wow goes down :)

Totally digging the lil make shift flag of it too

http://i.imgur.com/vV9mZQD.png

retrokill
07.07.2016, 14:57
I like that map :)

(We'll take it in shifts to house 1er)

OneEar
07.07.2016, 16:50
Woohoo sofa surfing!

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Leonarrias
08.07.2016, 18:40
heh sounds like a plan to me :P

retrokill
13.07.2016, 20:44
Boris Johnson has been given a post in Theresa Mays cabinet...as Foreign Minister :icon_eh:

I kid you not. You could not make this stuff up!

OneEar
13.07.2016, 20:46
Boris Johnson has been given a post in Theresa Mays cabinet...as Foreign Minister :icon_eh:

I kid you not. You could not make this stuff up!

You've got to be kidding me... Why do I let this stuff surprise me time and time again? It's beyond satire.

What's next? Michael Gove to become Minister for not having a stupid face?

retrokill
13.07.2016, 21:00
You've got to be kidding me... Why do I let this stuff surprise me time and time again? It's beyond satire.

I think it's because you really can't believe it will get any worse but some how they find a way.

That position also makes him head of MI6 and GCHQ!

The £ also fell so hard it overtook the Argentinian Peso as 2016s worst performer. If the Argentinians want the Malvinas back we couldn't afford to stop them any time soon :)

retrokill
30.07.2016, 21:27
So we had a march for independence today in Glasgow. Me and the mini-me's took part. Organisers expected 1500 max but got a surprise when around 5000 turn out. Awesome day! #MarchForIndy (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MarchForIndy)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ContN4kWAAABB8S.jpg

retrokill
05.10.2016, 18:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA6XxYepCDs

retrokill
06.10.2016, 20:20
Scottish independence has now become a moral imperative. - @weegingerdug (https://twitter.com/weegingerdug/status/783686427951464448)
Hell yeah! After reading newspaper headlines similar to 1930s central Europe and the thinly veiled racism at Conservative Party conference from last weekend, I feel that if we have a chance to make it right, we should.

The Bank of England has had to put 20 years worth of European contributions in the pound to stop it tanking!

As I've said before. Britain is still living in its colonial past.